Cloudflare and Vercel can't stop fighting
Source: YouTube · Theo - t3․gg · published Sep 12, 2025 · 34:04
Cloudflare’s edge routing and DOS protection practices cause severe latency spikes and strip critical traffic data, undermining customer reliability and transparency, particularly for Verscell. A toxic public exchange between Cloudflare’s CTO (Dne) and Verscell’s CEO (GMO) reveals misleading claims and bad faith rhetoric, with both sides downplaying technical expertise and engaging in personal attacks.
Key Takeaways:
• Cloudflare’s free tier routes 60–70% of US traffic to Europe during peak hours, causing 10–100x latency increases, even on the pro tier 12:40-13:45.
• Edge network design fails for database-proximity applications due to misrouted traffic, increasing latency significantly 10:15-11:50.
• Cloudflare’s DOS protection strips EDNS and other traffic data, preventing Verscell from detecting and blocking sophisticated attacks 29:00-30:48.
• Verscell’s superior DOS solution is rendered ineffective by Cloudflare’s proxying, which blocks access to raw traffic data 30:15-30:40.
• Both Dne and GMO engage in bad faith public commentary, with Dne downplaying network expertise and GMO calling Verscell a “paid shill” 24:00-25:00.
The situation highlights technical flaws in Cloudflare’s infrastructure and a breakdown in constructive communication, with Verscell feeling unfairly targeted and victimized.
Sources:
- 12:40-13:45 Free tier routing issues and latency spikes.
- 10:15-11:50 Edge network design flaws and database proximity problems.
- 29:00-30:48 DOS protection data stripping and attack
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Oh no, mom and dad are beefing again. The Cloudflare strategy. Tell everyone on Twitter that bandwidth is free and unlimited. AWS bad. Rename bandwidth to Argo because the free one's low quality. Create the most evil non-transparent pricing page in history. Hide real bandwidth prices under a tool tip. When this ruse runs out, hope they locked you in with workers and durable objects. Sponsor lots of ex accounts to repeat the free and unlimited [ __ ] Hope that enough startups fall into the enterprise trap. Triangle man's a decent front-end designer, but he knows nothing about networks. He keeps having to make this point because he has built Verscell on top of AWS, which charges him for bandwidth. So, he has to pass that cost onto his customers or he'll go bankrupt. Cloudflare, on the other …