#437 - Identiverse 2026 - Pam Dingle
Source: YouTube · Identity at the Center · published Jul 27, 2026 · 55:30
This episode explores agentic identity and access management with Pam Dingle of Microsoft, who argues that while AI represents a seismic shift, the underlying identity problems are familiar ones that have been "bedazzled" by new speed and complexity 12:01-12:13.
Key Takeaways:
• "Agentic" refers to code making autonomous decisions based on context and mission, not just sequential scripts, applying to non-human identities like workloads and AI agents 4:15-4:35
• Three agent categories matter: assistive agents (inheriting permissions), autonomous agents (own entitlements), and digital co-workers (operating as users in some environments) 5:26-6:42
• Existing standards like OAuth and SPIFFE provide a reasonable foundation, but gaps remain in metadata, discovery, and just-in-time provisioning for agents without pre-existing trust 16:01-20:22
• Delegation and authorization are the "gaping abysses" of agentic IAM, with critical distinctions between delegation (scoped, distinguishable), impersonation (indistinguishable from human), and partition (boxed-off environments) 29:44-34:18
• Organizations should prioritize visibility, attribution, and phishing-resistant authentication as immediate steps before tackling deeper agentic governance challenges 24:45-26:28, 36:12-37:03
Dingle emphasizes that while AI can assist with understanding, human judgment remains irreplaceable for navigating these emerging identity challenges 39:57-40:22.
Sources:
- 4:15 Definition of agentic identity
- [5:26
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[music] This is Identity at the Center. >> Welcome to the Identity at the Center podcast. I'm Jeff and that's Jim. Hey Jim. >> Hey Jeff. How are you? >> Not so bad. Yourself? >> Doing great, man. Here at Ideniverse 2026. I love it here, man. I love the hallway conversations, seeing old friends, making new friends. I mean, just a great time. Last night we did majority rules and it was a big hit. >> Yeah, we had a lot of people over there. Um I'm horsearo a little bit from yesterday and all the talking I did, but um yeah, it is now what? Tuesday morning, 9:00 a.m. Conference hall has not yet opened. It'll be open about an hour and uh it's kind of like the calm before the storm, >> right? Well, we wanted to record a podcast and hopefully we're ending before the crowd rushes in and we have a t…